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	<title>Comments on: 3 Non-Lucid Myths about Lucid Dreaming</title>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-11774</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recommendation. I will get on that. I am boarding the train late, and with ignorance! Catching up to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation. I will get on that. I am boarding the train late, and with ignorance! Catching up to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Hurd</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-11751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Hurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t written much about these subjects, except a dash about the ancient &lt;a href=&quot;http://dreamstudies.org/articles/history-of-lucid-dreaming-ancient-india-to-the-enlightenment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Buddhist practices here&lt;/a&gt;
Have you read Olga &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Entering-Circle-Siberian-Discovered-Psychiatrist/dp/0062514172&amp;tag=dreastudport-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Entering the circle&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;?  a must-read for the Siberian shamanic angle of lucid dreaming. an incredible narrative in the spirit of Don Juan. 
And - yeah the sexuality/colonization piece is def. aimed at lucid dream sex practices that are not &quot;consensual.&quot;   troll the lucid dreaming forums and you&#039;ll see that this is all too common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t written much about these subjects, except a dash about the ancient <a href="http://dreamstudies.org/articles/history-of-lucid-dreaming-ancient-india-to-the-enlightenment">Buddhist practices here</a><br />
Have you read Olga &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Entering-Circle-Siberian-Discovered-Psychiatrist/dp/0062514172&amp;tag=dreastudport-20">Entering the circle</a>.&#8221;?  a must-read for the Siberian shamanic angle of lucid dreaming. an incredible narrative in the spirit of Don Juan.<br />
And &#8211; yeah the sexuality/colonization piece is def. aimed at lucid dream sex practices that are not &#8220;consensual.&#8221;   troll the lucid dreaming forums and you&#8217;ll see that this is all too common.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-11463</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant article! Have you written anything about the lucid dreaming practices of Tibetan Buddhists, Australian Aboriginals, the 15th century Sufis, or the shamans of the Caucus mountains? Where can I learn more about this? 

The only other thing I&#039;d add with different intonation is that lucid dreaming is a fanciful trick that can get you some hot dream sex. Not sure this has a whole lot to do with colonization, unless hot dream sex is your sole M.O., in which case, all lucid dreaming privileges should be revoked by the Great Dreamer. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant article! Have you written anything about the lucid dreaming practices of Tibetan Buddhists, Australian Aboriginals, the 15th century Sufis, or the shamans of the Caucus mountains? Where can I learn more about this? </p>
<p>The only other thing I&#8217;d add with different intonation is that lucid dreaming is a fanciful trick that can get you some hot dream sex. Not sure this has a whole lot to do with colonization, unless hot dream sex is your sole M.O., in which case, all lucid dreaming privileges should be revoked by the Great Dreamer. <img src='http://dreamstudies.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dungan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dannon - I really appreciate your non-judgemental observations about the Western culture of lucid dreaming.  Thanks for the breath of fresh air.

And you&#039;re absolutely right - our culture will shift with the work we do as individuals.  There&#039;s nothing wrong in my book about seeing lucid dreaming as a means to explore sexuality, willpower, or manifestation of other pleasures.  
These are all good ways to test ego-boundaries, which really need to be strong in order to then go about trying to dissolve them (such as through shamanic techniques or non-duality).  
That is a strange paradox about the ego! 

Ultimately, whatever one does in their dreams, it&#039;ll go a lot smoother if compassion is ever-present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dannon &#8211; I really appreciate your non-judgemental observations about the Western culture of lucid dreaming.  Thanks for the breath of fresh air.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re absolutely right &#8211; our culture will shift with the work we do as individuals.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong in my book about seeing lucid dreaming as a means to explore sexuality, willpower, or manifestation of other pleasures.<br />
These are all good ways to test ego-boundaries, which really need to be strong in order to then go about trying to dissolve them (such as through shamanic techniques or non-duality).<br />
That is a strange paradox about the ego! </p>
<p>Ultimately, whatever one does in their dreams, it&#8217;ll go a lot smoother if compassion is ever-present.</p>
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		<title>By: dannon</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>dannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that since Lucid Dreaming is new to our culture the attraction of it is that we can experience anything we want. At first our most base desires need to be satisfied. The dream world is the safest place to explore repressed desires. Eventually first as individuals then as a culture we will become bored with the mental masturbation and seek more uplifting inspiring adventures. After all it is the life unlived that binds us.  All we can do as individuals is mature in our practice and wait patiently for the culture to catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that since Lucid Dreaming is new to our culture the attraction of it is that we can experience anything we want. At first our most base desires need to be satisfied. The dream world is the safest place to explore repressed desires. Eventually first as individuals then as a culture we will become bored with the mental masturbation and seek more uplifting inspiring adventures. After all it is the life unlived that binds us.  All we can do as individuals is mature in our practice and wait patiently for the culture to catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dungan</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jacob!  yeah, the marketing goes deep.  it&#039;s default programming and its good for sales. Jayne Gackenbach didn&#039;t title her excellent book on lucid dream and buddhism &quot;control your dreams&quot; - her editors did.  

there&#039;s few allies for lucid dreamers who have made it through the newbie stage, tho, and realize there&#039;s more to lucid dreaming than &lt;i&gt;anything you want&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jacob!  yeah, the marketing goes deep.  it&#8217;s default programming and its good for sales. Jayne Gackenbach didn&#8217;t title her excellent book on lucid dream and buddhism &#8220;control your dreams&#8221; &#8211; her editors did.  </p>
<p>there&#8217;s few allies for lucid dreamers who have made it through the newbie stage, tho, and realize there&#8217;s more to lucid dreaming than <i>anything you want</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, especially as related to the popular culture of lucid dreaming. Cultural assumptions such as you point out unfortunately drive and shape many of our experiences and thoughts. Fortunately, making ourselves aware of these marketing techniques can help us break free of them.

Thanks for stopping by my blog. I&#039;ll be sure to discuss some of the climate issues from the conference, once I collect my thoughts. I&#039;ve also added you to my blogroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, especially as related to the popular culture of lucid dreaming. Cultural assumptions such as you point out unfortunately drive and shape many of our experiences and thoughts. Fortunately, making ourselves aware of these marketing techniques can help us break free of them.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by my blog. I&#8217;ll be sure to discuss some of the climate issues from the conference, once I collect my thoughts. I&#8217;ve also added you to my blogroll.</p>
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		<title>By: Dungan</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I appreciate seeing you in a cloak.... maybe you&#039;ll keep that in mind during next year&#039;s Dream Ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I appreciate seeing you in a cloak&#8230;. maybe you&#8217;ll keep that in mind during next year&#8217;s Dream Ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 00:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

Here&#039;s to &quot;the way of participation&quot; and a naturalistic approach to looking at the so-called subconscious and awareness (wearing the cloak of consciousness).
Reason seems one way of relating to the world, but when it becomes the only way or the only accepted way, then we become further divorced from the totality of our being.
Thanks for bringing some insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to &#8220;the way of participation&#8221; and a naturalistic approach to looking at the so-called subconscious and awareness (wearing the cloak of consciousness).<br />
Reason seems one way of relating to the world, but when it becomes the only way or the only accepted way, then we become further divorced from the totality of our being.<br />
Thanks for bringing some insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dungan</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/09/23/new-york-times-lucid-dreaming-article-misses-the-mark/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Gyrus. i haven&#039;t read Kidner so i&#039;ll make sure to look him up.  it took me a long time to find a way to be active but not domineering.  and of course, i still am learning... it is clear to me that the way we treat our interior landscapes is mirrored by how we ourselves our treated as creatures in nature. we are not victims in this cycle... and i believe we always have the power to enter into respectful and mutually beneficial relationships with the &quot;others.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Gyrus. i haven&#8217;t read Kidner so i&#8217;ll make sure to look him up.  it took me a long time to find a way to be active but not domineering.  and of course, i still am learning&#8230; it is clear to me that the way we treat our interior landscapes is mirrored by how we ourselves our treated as creatures in nature. we are not victims in this cycle&#8230; and i believe we always have the power to enter into respectful and mutually beneficial relationships with the &#8220;others.&#8221;</p>
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