Comments on: The Logos of Dreaming http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/ Dream research, lucid dreaming, and dream interpretation Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:53:06 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dungan http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1477 Dungan Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:56:37 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/#comment-1477 Thanks for stopping by, G. you nailed it: rationality exhibits autocratic behavior; it's always judging (and slicing, and dicing) other organic systems into tiny pieces of random. Luckily, mystery bends like reed. Anyhow, you'd be suprised how many contemporary dream theorists discuss dreaming consciousness like its psychotic ie. not terribly good at math. I'll try to dig up some examples soon. Thanks for stopping by, G. you nailed it: rationality exhibits autocratic behavior; it’s always judging (and slicing, and dicing) other organic systems into tiny pieces of random.

Luckily, mystery bends like reed.

Anyhow, you’d be suprised how many contemporary dream theorists discuss dreaming consciousness like its psychotic ie. not terribly good at math. I’ll try to dig up some examples soon.

]]> By: Gyrus http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1474 Gyrus Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:24:38 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/#comment-1474 Wow, that smiley's jumpin'! Wow, that smiley’s jumpin’!

]]> By: Gyrus http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-1473 Gyrus Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:24:05 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/2008/07/23/the-logos-of-dreaming/#comment-1473 Challenges to false dualisms always welcome! :-) Like most, this one seems almost childish once you step past it. I mean, surely what we've generally accepted from Freud implies that <em>waking consciousness</em> is a bit of both? Intention and rationality persistently subverted by unconscious derailment. More and more it seems to me that living life forces you to acknowledge the centrality of paradox to the whole show. Then, any system of thought or analysis that can't embrace paradox becomes a less and less satisfactory model of the world. Just been reading a brilliant book by Tom Cheetham on Henry Corbin's Sufi studies, and he notes that Corbin translated an Arabic term roughly meaning "ambiguity" with the Latin term "amphibole", which literally means "to throw on both sides". It's used in describing the simultaneously immanent and transcendant nature of Christ's incarnation. Do we need another word? "Paradox" is good, but has a certain connotation of being a problem or conundrum. Maybe appropriate - I'm not sure taking the double-sided nature of things on board guarantees an easy ride! One small point here is the your example - the lack of reflective awareness is clearly a "deficiency" from the point of view of another state of consciousness where that awareness is more prevalent. Again, I thought with Freud (at least) we stepped past the blunt judgement of dream states by waking standards (though of course he ended up siding with the ego in the end). Challenges to false dualisms always welcome! :-) Like most, this one seems almost childish once you step past it. I mean, surely what we’ve generally accepted from Freud implies that waking consciousness is a bit of both? Intention and rationality persistently subverted by unconscious derailment.

More and more it seems to me that living life forces you to acknowledge the centrality of paradox to the whole show. Then, any system of thought or analysis that can’t embrace paradox becomes a less and less satisfactory model of the world.

Just been reading a brilliant book by Tom Cheetham on Henry Corbin’s Sufi studies, and he notes that Corbin translated an Arabic term roughly meaning “ambiguity” with the Latin term “amphibole”, which literally means “to throw on both sides”. It’s used in describing the simultaneously immanent and transcendant nature of Christ’s incarnation.

Do we need another word? “Paradox” is good, but has a certain connotation of being a problem or conundrum. Maybe appropriate – I’m not sure taking the double-sided nature of things on board guarantees an easy ride!

One small point here is the your example – the lack of reflective awareness is clearly a “deficiency” from the point of view of another state of consciousness where that awareness is more prevalent. Again, I thought with Freud (at least) we stepped past the blunt judgement of dream states by waking standards (though of course he ended up siding with the ego in the end).

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