Another thing that strikes me about the Geometric patterns is this….What is the symbol of Freemasonry?

It’s the G with the carpenter/masonruy tool symbols. G is for God or Geometry.

I personally think that viewing and being intertwined with the spontaneous geometric imagery in this state is healing. you mention Jung -yes – this state leads to the endogenous mandala, a spontaneous vision of wholeness and integration. some visual psychologists also think that this geometric imagery is the root of conceptual/abstract thought, which goes along with your idea of energy/memory transfer. it’s an area of research that’s been completely neglected, except of course by mystics, healers, and meditators!

I was googling about geometric patterns/dreaming, etc. A similiar thing has happened many times to me and didn’t realize others have seen this.

I awake from sleep and I am conscious but half asleep. My body seems to be still sleeping technically but I know I could wake up so I am not in any sleep paralysis, etc. The point is I am in a state where all type of geometric shapes and patterns are flying by, whether eyes closed or not. I still saw them with my eyes half open. What is your take on my experience?

To my spiritual side, it feels like an an energy stream is being transferred via symbols. Perhaps maybe the visual translation of what happens every nite as memories, etc are stored or downloaded in the brain? It all seems very Jungian or something.

thanks, chris

as for the “cosmic snow” and the “swirl” of geometrics that come out of this state – I also agree that they are different that hynogagic or hypnopompic imagery (in my experience).

but as for your larger questions – what is dreaming ?…. that is a big can of worms! In my essay “what is dreaming” I define dreaming very loosely, fitting with the cross-cultural evidence that these states of mind are culturally flexible and may even be culturally entrained: “We can consider dreaming to be an experience of imagination that occurs in a number of states of consciousness: not only the sleep states of REM, non-REM, and the threshold states of hypnagogia, but also as waking dreams, near-death experience and shamanic reverie.”
http://dreamstudies.org/articles/what-is-dreaming/

I’m so glad I’m connected up with your web site now.

I’m reacting to the term “imageless lucid dreaming.” I’m wondering whether there is any general agreement on what the word “imageless” means. To some it might mean no visual image. As I would use the word, it means no image of any kind–visual, hearing, taste, smell, or any form of body imagery. If I use the word that way, then there is nothing to see, hear, smell, taste, or feel. For example, no floating and no geometrical image.

Following up on that, what defines dreaming, as in lucid dreaming? For if there is no image, is there a dream? What is being dreamed? There we get into the question whether every experience while asleep is dream. For me, I do not see all sleep experience as dreaming, and not all sleep imagery as dream imagery. This takes us into the concept of dreamless sleep.

I think you have described an experience that I have sometimes had, in which I desrupt an ongoing lucid dream, and the result is that I see quickly moving geometric imagery, which seems to swirl around me. This moving imagery is very different from the waking up kind of geometric imagery.

Thanks for your well-conceived web site.

George

Also, besides possibly being sleep paralysis, your experience may have been a lucid awakening during deep sleep, also known as stage four sleep, or slow wave sleep. I’m not trying to reject your interpretation (the alien feel), but provide some framework for the biological basis of the encounter, because knowing when these thing occur can provide some relief.

Feel free to email me if you want to continue this in private!