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		<title>By: Dungan</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/10/24/31/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly, it&#039;s confusing and we get all red in the face and then find out we&#039;re not even talking about the same thing.... plus all the hidden presuppositions get in the way.  that&#039;s something i need to work on here, revealing my biases and presuppositions.  it saves a lot of trouble in the long run.  

ohh, and the art piece is fascinating.  i&#039;d like to suggest that prehistoric rock art is not necessarily &quot;art&quot; as we know it - it may have had entirely different connotations and functions for their societies. David Lewis Williams writes eloquently about this in &lt;i&gt;The Mind&#039;s Cave&lt;/i&gt;, where he connects prehistoric cave art to depictions of altered states of consciousness.  in so far as his theory is valid, so the &quot;art&quot; is not an idea so much as a metaphor... a feeling or vision that is conveyed through other means, expressed visually.  &quot;idea&quot; seems very fixed to me, whereas these drawings may represent something as it moves between worlds.   

and thanks for the compliment - no confusion about how i feel about that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly, it&#8217;s confusing and we get all red in the face and then find out we&#8217;re not even talking about the same thing&#8230;. plus all the hidden presuppositions get in the way.  that&#8217;s something i need to work on here, revealing my biases and presuppositions.  it saves a lot of trouble in the long run.  </p>
<p>ohh, and the art piece is fascinating.  i&#8217;d like to suggest that prehistoric rock art is not necessarily &#8220;art&#8221; as we know it &#8211; it may have had entirely different connotations and functions for their societies. David Lewis Williams writes eloquently about this in <i>The Mind&#8217;s Cave</i>, where he connects prehistoric cave art to depictions of altered states of consciousness.  in so far as his theory is valid, so the &#8220;art&#8221; is not an idea so much as a metaphor&#8230; a feeling or vision that is conveyed through other means, expressed visually.  &#8220;idea&#8221; seems very fixed to me, whereas these drawings may represent something as it moves between worlds.   </p>
<p>and thanks for the compliment &#8211; no confusion about how i feel about that!</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

You have an interesting blog here, you and your compadres.  I could spend hours here.

This discussion is very much in line with a conversation I had with a good friend recently regarding the development of the idea.  It stemmed from a conversation about prehistoric art.  Art comes from idea, but from where does idea come?  Or better asked, when did idea form and how did it form.

Also, I find that I often get into conversations about people regarding consciousness and find out that we&#039;re talking about different things.  Sometimes I talk about Consciousness with a big C, and other times just consciousness.  It can be confusing at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>You have an interesting blog here, you and your compadres.  I could spend hours here.</p>
<p>This discussion is very much in line with a conversation I had with a good friend recently regarding the development of the idea.  It stemmed from a conversation about prehistoric art.  Art comes from idea, but from where does idea come?  Or better asked, when did idea form and how did it form.</p>
<p>Also, I find that I often get into conversations about people regarding consciousness and find out that we&#8217;re talking about different things.  Sometimes I talk about Consciousness with a big C, and other times just consciousness.  It can be confusing at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Dungan</title>
		<link>http://dreamstudies.org/2007/10/24/31/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Dungan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point. we&#039;re masters at pattern recognition so once we open up to the idea of consciousness embedded elsewhere in the universe, we&#039;re in for a surprise... starting here is crucial. this also reminds me of what a friend of mine often says in regards to animal communication.  because we&#039;re so disconnected, out of touch, and disrespectful of the life forms even in our own backyard, it&#039;s beyond ironic that we&#039;re searching high and low for &quot;intelligent life&quot; in the greater cosmos. in other words, we&#039;re the aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point. we&#8217;re masters at pattern recognition so once we open up to the idea of consciousness embedded elsewhere in the universe, we&#8217;re in for a surprise&#8230; starting here is crucial. this also reminds me of what a friend of mine often says in regards to animal communication.  because we&#8217;re so disconnected, out of touch, and disrespectful of the life forms even in our own backyard, it&#8217;s beyond ironic that we&#8217;re searching high and low for &#8220;intelligent life&#8221; in the greater cosmos. in other words, we&#8217;re the aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for bringing up the CIR; I didn&#039;t there was active research in this area!

This research is valuable in understanding our own consciousness and that of the community of life, but I think it also has relevance to astrobiology. It is unreasonable (or at least highly improbable) that extraterrestrial life--even with the ability to communicate--will bear sufficient similarities to humans that we can easily converse (as is typified in Hollywood). To this end, the study of interspecies communication will help us gain a broader understanding that may someday be relevant when faced with extraterrestrial communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing up the CIR; I didn&#8217;t there was active research in this area!</p>
<p>This research is valuable in understanding our own consciousness and that of the community of life, but I think it also has relevance to astrobiology. It is unreasonable (or at least highly improbable) that extraterrestrial life&#8211;even with the ability to communicate&#8211;will bear sufficient similarities to humans that we can easily converse (as is typified in Hollywood). To this end, the study of interspecies communication will help us gain a broader understanding that may someday be relevant when faced with extraterrestrial communication.</p>
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