Comments on: The Dark Side of Lucid Dreams http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams the dream studies portal Tue, 22 May 2012 20:25:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Roberto http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-186829 Roberto Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:24:39 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-186829 Thanks again for the article it cleared up a lot but I still have a couple questions, when it mentions to become one with the light what is it referring to? God? And for that matter what is the light? also i am serious about pursuing lucid dreaming is there anything I should know before going any further such as precautions, tips etc.? Thanks again for the article it cleared up a lot but I still have a couple questions, when it mentions to become one with the light what is it referring to? God? And for that matter what is the light? also i am serious about pursuing lucid dreaming is there anything I should know before going any further such as precautions, tips etc.?

]]> By: Roberto http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-186814 Roberto Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:04:27 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-186814 Thank you very much for your response I will take a look at the links described. Thanks!!! Thank you very much for your response I will take a look at the links described. Thanks!!!

]]> By: Ryan Hurd http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-186796 Ryan Hurd Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:22:21 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-186796 Hi Roberto, I can't give you personal advice but I can point you towards more educational material. :) Dreams have been an important part of Christianity, but today many religious authorities do not recommend this path -- it's basically a result of dream-fearing policies that gained influence over the last few centuries. Anyhow, here's a quick history of dreams, lucidity and Christianity: http://dreamstudies.org/2009/10/08/lucid-dreaming-and-christianity/ and another piece about lucid dreaming and the concept of temptation: http://dreamstudies.org/2011/07/29/is-lucid-dreaming-evil/ Hi Roberto,

I can’t give you personal advice but I can point you towards more educational material. :)

Dreams have been an important part of Christianity, but today many religious authorities do not recommend this path — it’s basically a result of dream-fearing policies that gained influence over the last few centuries. Anyhow, here’s a quick history of dreams, lucidity and Christianity:
http://dreamstudies.org/2009/10/08/lucid-dreaming-and-christianity/

and another piece about lucid dreaming and the concept of temptation:
http://dreamstudies.org/2011/07/29/is-lucid-dreaming-evil/

]]> By: Roberto http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-186751 Roberto Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:03:24 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-186751 Well I am 15 years old and have heard of lucid dreaming about a week ago. At first it seemed really cool so I tried doing it but have had little to no success so here I am now doing some research on it, also in my research I have learned about the astral project, and how you can leave your physical body, but when I was also doing my research I came across that lucid dreaming and the astral project are somehow linked to demonic and evil things, my family is catholic but I question my religion a lot but I kinda consider myself catholic, I am very confused and have so many questions about this if anyone could help I would greatly appreciate it. Well I am 15 years old and have heard of lucid dreaming about a week ago. At first it seemed really cool so I tried doing it but have had little to no success so here I am now doing some research on it, also in my research I have learned about the astral project, and how you can leave your physical body, but when I was also doing my research I came across that lucid dreaming and the astral project are somehow linked to demonic and evil things, my family is catholic but I question my religion a lot but I kinda consider myself catholic, I am very confused and have so many questions about this if anyone could help I would greatly appreciate it.

]]> By: Sara http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-185054 Sara Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:52:02 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-185054 I always have dreams i am fighting with evil spirits/demons. and i always either kill them or try to kill them in my dream. last night i had a dream that i was at my grandmas house but it was empty, no one there... the day was gloomy and suddenly became foggy.. and thats when i started sensing things around me. i am walking in their drive way and i see a dirty dirty ray running his way into their garden. next thing i know this black oddly looking hallow looking spirit with sharp teeth bites my arm so hard i felt the pain. i screamed at it so loud that i woke up and heard myself screaming at it while it was still on my arm ( its like waking up had its steps) because i was still seeing and feeling the pain... This is not the first time i see things like this like i said, i have had so many multiple fights with evil spirits in my dreams, where i feel pain every time they hurt me, or pin me down while i sleep... i dont understand why... it really tires me.. I always have dreams i am fighting with evil spirits/demons. and i always either kill them or try to kill them in my dream. last night i had a dream that i was at my grandmas house but it was empty, no one there… the day was gloomy and suddenly became foggy.. and thats when i started sensing things around me. i am walking in their drive way and i see a dirty dirty ray running his way into their garden. next thing i know this black oddly looking hallow looking spirit with sharp teeth bites my arm so hard i felt the pain. i screamed at it so loud that i woke up and heard myself screaming at it while it was still on my arm ( its like waking up had its steps) because i was still seeing and feeling the pain…
This is not the first time i see things like this like i said, i have had so many multiple fights with evil spirits in my dreams, where i feel pain every time they hurt me, or pin me down while i sleep… i dont understand why… it really tires me..

]]> By: Denise http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-167593 Denise Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:34:56 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-167593 I could never really understand why anyone would "try" to have a lucid dream. I have been having these types of dreams since I was a child, and trust me they come on as nothing that I want - they just happen. Sleep paralysis is not fun, nor enjoyable for me at all either. Don't get me wrong - I dream good dreams, have nightmares and I have peaceful sleep as well......Anyway - Normally, I do not share my dreams with people I do not know..but last night I had a dream that was a little more than weird to me. It was a type of lucid dream and I also experienced sleep paralysis. It was after my husband came home from work and my daughter came home from visiting one of her friends .....My son had already gone to bed and I had been "napping" on my favorite couch spot in my home office, but woke up long enough to greet them both and tell them that I loved them. Afterwards, I feel asleep (In what I call "that state" - the "half &half")....I heard my husband tell me - "Honey, you need to go on to bed", and then he stated that he was going on into the bedroom. Then I fell in full sleep...then came back into "the half&half" again. I then began "dreaming" that my husband had brought me two of my supplements (the Calcium and Vit. D that I had forgotten to take that day). They looked different that then normal ones that I take, but I knew what they were. One was chewable, the other was not. I was sooo weak and sleepy in the dream (still in the half&half), that I opted only to take the chewable one. It was soo fruity tasting. I liked the "new" supplement, I thought to myself....but being so tired and weak, I did not want to get up and take the other supplement - yet I knew that I must. So I got up from my napping spot (lucid) went over to my desk where I had left my bottle of water so that I could take the pill. It felt like ages before I reached my desk. As I reached for my bottle of water, I looked through the door of my office into the foyer - as I thought I saw a shadow. I felt a dark presence coming on as if to torment me. I began to pray. Just then, my daughter walked in - I could tell that something was "wrong" with her... and I found that she was possessed. I was terrified for her and I talked with her and urged her to begin praying - she did not communicate back with me. I was intimidated for a moment, but I grabbed her in my arms and began to pray for her. The demon began making fun of my prayers, and mocking me through her. The more I prayed and demanded that the demon leave her, the weaker and more tired and sleepy I became - but I still fought hard and continued to pray. I heard something tell me, do not look in her eyes, look away and concentrate on reciting scripture out loud and pray the Lord's Prayer. I did that. I saw that the demon was weakening, but not leaving and it was tormenting her and hurting her more. So, I went and grabbed two crucifixes off my desk and placed them on her and continued to pray. I called upon Jesus and His Holy Angels for help, and continued to command the evil spirit out of her. It finally left her....but then, it possessed my little beloved dog. I was so weak and so tired, but I repeated the process with him, the demon had made him very sick, but finally left. I called for my husband to come and help me. But of course, he could not hear me. I struggled to make my way down the hallway from the foyer to the bedroom and I saw him - laying on the bed watching TV. I made my way over to him, shouting as loud as I could, "please Honey, hear me...We need your help!" But, he did not respond. I felt so alone, so weak and so tired - but I made my way back through to the foyer, as I knew the demonic presence was still there. I looked back down the hallway and the door to my son's bedroom opened. I felt a sense of dread, for I knew that it was now going to go after my son. I fell to my knees, growing weaker, struggling so hard just to move and prayed one last time - God help me. I felt the demon presence leave. I looked up to find that my daughter and my dog were still sitting in the foyer waiting on me. Just then, the door bell rang. I thought - who could be ringing the door bell at this hour? So, I made my way over to the door, but would not open it. I pulled back one of the sheer curtain panels on the sidelight windows to see if I could view who was there. To my surprise, there were lots of "people" in my yard. Two different vehicles parked in my driveway and one actually in my front yard. They were taking pictures and pointing at my home. They were laughing and frolicking in my yard - I was confused and somewhat scared. As I looked around - I spotted my sister and one childhood friend that I had not seen for a very long time, as they live far away from me. When I saw them, I opened the door. They all greeted me with a big hello - but, did not come close to me or approach me. I asked my sister, "what are you doing?" "What is all this?" "Why are you here with all these people?" She said, "Oh, they are people that I have met and I know them." She began rejoicing and skipping through my yard. I looked around and saw my childhood friend...she only smiled and waved at me. Still confused - I decided to walk out onto the front stoop. I noticed that a few of the people had placed sashes of "roses" above the windows of my home. They were taking pictures of the roses on my house. I touched one - it was real, and dewy, as if they had just been picked and formed into these lovely simple sashes. I said to them all - "These are very beautiful". Then I said, "but I am embarrassed for you to be here at this hour, for you do not know what has taken place inside my home, and I am not prepared for company - and my husband has not even cut the grass (I noticed that there were high weeds in my front yard for some reason??? - they were running and jumping through them anyway - LOL!!) They said "it is ok - We love this place, and just wanted to stop by and rejoice with you for a few moments." Then, they began getting in the cars, and started leaving. I said to my sister - "I am confused, do you not want to come in and hear my story? Are you coming back?". She said, "no." "I have to go with them - but everything is ok." So I accepted it, went back in the house and shut the door. I was confused, but I felt peace. I hugged my daughter and my dog and looked around my house. There was no more evil presence. So, I made my way back over to my "napping spot", and laid back down (on top of myself - I could still see myself laying there). I then became paralyzed, and tried to wake myself up, but could not. I prayed in my mind once again, "Jesus, please save me, come and help me to wake up." I then began to wake up. I heard my husband come walking down the hallway. He came over to me, and said: "Honey, you must get up and go to bed." I was fully awake by that time. I looked at him and said, "Yes, I do." He asked me what was wrong with me? I said, I had a bad, weird, and crazy dream. He asked me to tell him about it. I did. He prayed with me. We went to bed, and I slept very well and very peacefully. I could never really understand why anyone would “try” to have a lucid dream. I have been having these types of dreams since I was a child, and trust me they come on as nothing that I want – they just happen. Sleep paralysis is not fun, nor enjoyable for me at all either. Don’t get me wrong – I dream good dreams, have nightmares and I have peaceful sleep as well……Anyway – Normally, I do not share my dreams with people I do not know..but last night I had a dream that was a little more than weird to me. It was a type of lucid dream and I also experienced sleep paralysis. It was after my husband came home from work and my daughter came home from visiting one of her friends …..My son had already gone to bed and I had been “napping” on my favorite couch spot in my home office, but woke up long enough to greet them both and tell them that I loved them. Afterwards, I feel asleep (In what I call “that state” – the “half &half”)….I heard my husband tell me – “Honey, you need to go on to bed”, and then he stated that he was going on into the bedroom. Then I fell in full sleep…then came back into “the half&half” again. I then began “dreaming” that my husband had brought me two of my supplements (the Calcium and Vit. D that I had forgotten to take that day). They looked different that then normal ones that I take, but I knew what they were. One was chewable, the other was not. I was sooo weak and sleepy in the dream (still in the half&half), that I opted only to take the chewable one. It was soo fruity tasting. I liked the “new” supplement, I thought to myself….but being so tired and weak, I did not want to get up and take the other supplement – yet I knew that I must. So I got up from my napping spot (lucid) went over to my desk where I had left my bottle of water so that I could take the pill. It felt like ages before I reached my desk. As I reached for my bottle of water, I looked through the door of my office into the foyer – as I thought I saw a shadow. I felt a dark presence coming on as if to torment me. I began to pray. Just then, my daughter walked in – I could tell that something was “wrong” with her… and I found that she was possessed. I was terrified for her and I talked with her and urged her to begin praying – she did not communicate back with me. I was intimidated for a moment, but I grabbed her in my arms and began to pray for her. The demon began making fun of my prayers, and mocking me through her. The more I prayed and demanded that the demon leave her, the weaker and more tired and sleepy I became – but I still fought hard and continued to pray. I heard something tell me, do not look in her eyes, look away and concentrate on reciting scripture out loud and pray the Lord’s Prayer. I did that. I saw that the demon was weakening, but not leaving and it was tormenting her and hurting her more. So, I went and grabbed two crucifixes off my desk and placed them on her and continued to pray. I called upon Jesus and His Holy Angels for help, and continued to command the evil spirit out of her. It finally left her….but then, it possessed my little beloved dog. I was so weak and so tired, but I repeated the process with him, the demon had made him very sick, but finally left. I called for my husband to come and help me. But of course, he could not hear me. I struggled to make my way down the hallway from the foyer to the bedroom and I saw him – laying on the bed watching TV. I made my way over to him, shouting as loud as I could, “please Honey, hear me…We need your help!” But, he did not respond. I felt so alone, so weak and so tired – but I made my way back through to the foyer, as I knew the demonic presence was still there. I looked back down the hallway and the door to my son’s bedroom opened. I felt a sense of dread, for I knew that it was now going to go after my son. I fell to my knees, growing weaker, struggling so hard just to move and prayed one last time – God help me. I felt the demon presence leave. I looked up to find that my daughter and my dog were still sitting in the foyer waiting on me. Just then, the door bell rang. I thought – who could be ringing the door bell at this hour? So, I made my way over to the door, but would not open it. I pulled back one of the sheer curtain panels on the sidelight windows to see if I could view who was there. To my surprise, there were lots of “people” in my yard. Two different vehicles parked in my driveway and one actually in my front yard. They were taking pictures and pointing at my home. They were laughing and frolicking in my yard – I was confused and somewhat scared. As I looked around – I spotted my sister and one childhood friend that I had not seen for a very long time, as they live far away from me. When I saw them, I opened the door. They all greeted me with a big hello – but, did not come close to me or approach me. I asked my sister, “what are you doing?” “What is all this?” “Why are you here with all these people?” She said, “Oh, they are people that I have met and I know them.” She began rejoicing and skipping through my yard. I looked around and saw my childhood friend…she only smiled and waved at me. Still confused – I decided to walk out onto the front stoop. I noticed that a few of the people had placed sashes of “roses” above the windows of my home. They were taking pictures of the roses on my house. I touched one – it was real, and dewy, as if they had just been picked and formed into these lovely simple sashes. I said to them all – “These are very beautiful”. Then I said, “but I am embarrassed for you to be here at this hour, for you do not know what has taken place inside my home, and I am not prepared for company – and my husband has not even cut the grass (I noticed that there were high weeds in my front yard for some reason??? – they were running and jumping through them anyway – LOL!!) They said “it is ok – We love this place, and just wanted to stop by and rejoice with you for a few moments.” Then, they began getting in the cars, and started leaving. I said to my sister – “I am confused, do you not want to come in and hear my story? Are you coming back?”. She said, “no.” “I have to go with them – but everything is ok.” So I accepted it, went back in the house and shut the door. I was confused, but I felt peace. I hugged my daughter and my dog and looked around my house. There was no more evil presence. So, I made my way back over to my “napping spot”, and laid back down (on top of myself – I could still see myself laying there). I then became paralyzed, and tried to wake myself up, but could not. I prayed in my mind once again, “Jesus, please save me, come and help me to wake up.” I then began to wake up. I heard my husband come walking down the hallway. He came over to me, and said: “Honey, you must get up and go to bed.” I was fully awake by that time. I looked at him and said, “Yes, I do.” He asked me what was wrong with me? I said, I had a bad, weird, and crazy dream. He asked me to tell him about it. I did. He prayed with me. We went to bed, and I slept very well and very peacefully.

]]> By: Ryan Hurd http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-159619 Ryan Hurd Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:40:40 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-159619 hi Stephanie, that sounds like a classic example of what is known as sleep paralysis with hypnagogic hallucinations. It's really something unique, and is actually the original "night mare." read more about it here. long story short: you're not being possessed, this is a biological phenomena but it can be very intense psychologically. http://dreamstudies.org/2010/01/22/sleep-paralysis-treatment-wake-up-cant-move/ hi Stephanie, that sounds like a classic example of what is known as sleep paralysis with hypnagogic hallucinations. It’s really something unique, and is actually the original “night mare.” read more about it here. long story short: you’re not being possessed, this is a biological phenomena but it can be very intense psychologically. http://dreamstudies.org/2010/01/22/sleep-paralysis-treatment-wake-up-cant-move/

]]> By: Stephanie http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-159587 Stephanie Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:48:23 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-159587 So, I've read about lucid dreaming and false awakenings and I've experienced both, but what I dreamt (and have dreamed before) I haven't found anything about. I was having a normal dream and after a while I was able to take control of what was happening but all of a sudden I was laying in my bed as if I had woken up. I was laying on my side facing away from the door and I had this sensation that I had my purse on my shoulder and someone was tugging at it; trying to take it. It didn't speak but I knew it was saying "Stephanie, give it to me" over and over. Then I felt a hand on my shoulder pulling/shaking me to roll over and look at it and it kept repeating my name and each time the voice turned into more of a growl. Then a "pressure" of the "pressence" felt like it was laying on me and still trying to get me to turn and look at it. After that it felt like someone was sucking on my neck. Not in a sexual way but like (for a lack of a better term) they were trying to "posses" me in away. Not like a demon would in a scary movie but like to have me or take me. I don't really know how to decribe it. Then suddenly I felt it leave but could still feel the pressure of every sensation from when it was on me, touching me, etc. Then everything thing was gone. I knew then I was fully awake but I was still terrified to move or turn around. I know it was a lucid dream and a false awakening but I don't know how I felt all of that when no one was there and I didn't move. Please help lol. I've had dreams like this before but this was the most disturbing. So, I’ve read about lucid dreaming and false awakenings and I’ve experienced both, but what I dreamt (and have dreamed before) I haven’t found anything about.
I was having a normal dream and after a while I was able to take control of what was happening but all of a sudden I was laying in my bed as if I had woken up. I was laying on my side facing away from the door and I had this sensation that I had my purse on my shoulder and someone was tugging at it; trying to take it. It didn’t speak but I knew it was saying “Stephanie, give it to me” over and over. Then I felt a hand on my shoulder pulling/shaking me to roll over and look at it and it kept repeating my name and each time the voice turned into more of a growl. Then a “pressure” of the “pressence” felt like it was laying on me and still trying to get me to turn and look at it. After that it felt like someone was sucking on my neck. Not in a sexual way but like (for a lack of a better term) they were trying to “posses” me in away. Not like a demon would in a scary movie but like to have me or take me. I don’t really know how to decribe it. Then suddenly I felt it leave but could still feel the pressure of every sensation from when it was on me, touching me, etc. Then everything thing was gone. I knew then I was fully awake but I was still terrified to move or turn around.
I know it was a lucid dream and a false awakening but I don’t know how I felt all of that when no one was there and I didn’t move. Please help lol. I’ve had dreams like this before but this was the most disturbing.

]]> By: Melissa http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-155286 Melissa Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:04:01 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-155286 I had a horrifying night last night, that consisted of 4 different dreams. But all four had a demon/devil in them. Had a white face, green yellowish eyes, red pupils, long pointy ears and smelt like death. I would wake up after having them hovering over me bout 4-5 inches away from my face. It felt like they were trying to get in me.. I also woke up all four times with my chest aching. can someone please tell me what I might be up against here? I can't sleep or relax since it happend.. I feel off. I had a horrifying night last night, that consisted of 4 different dreams. But all four had a demon/devil in them. Had a white face, green yellowish eyes, red pupils, long pointy ears and smelt like death. I would wake up after having them hovering over me bout 4-5 inches away from my face. It felt like they were trying to get in me.. I also woke up all four times with my chest aching. can someone please tell me what I might be up against here? I can’t sleep or relax since it happend.. I feel off.

]]> By: Tonchi http://dreamstudies.org/2008/10/08/the-dark-side-of-lucid-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-153054 Tonchi Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:54:50 +0000 http://dreamstudies.org/?p=321#comment-153054 Dear Ryan, Thanks for your articles, they are awesome. Since i was i kid i had try this "lucid dreaming" but never red about it so never tried any tecnique. Although 2 times i managed to do it with horryfing results of a great deamon scaring me (kicking out of the dream), i woke up so scared that i dont want to go back sleep in a while. I also have woke up from a nightmare to another dream with this paralysis you mention. Very frightning :P This is the first time i "google it" and i found so accurate of what hapens to me... thanks for your articles and sorry for my pour english. Dear Ryan,

Thanks for your articles, they are awesome. Since i was i kid i had try this “lucid dreaming” but never red about it so never tried any tecnique. Although 2 times i managed to do it with horryfing results of a great deamon scaring me (kicking out of the dream), i woke up so scared that i dont want to go back sleep in a while. I also have woke up from a nightmare to another dream with this paralysis you mention. Very frightning :P This is the first time i “google it” and i found so accurate of what hapens to me… thanks for your articles and sorry for my pour english.

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