Comments on: Guide to Lucid Dreaming Supplements

By: Ryan Hurd

Ryan Hurd — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:49:29 +0000

thanks Eric. yeah, I should have updated that. I don’t know a better source than Amazon altho most local natural food stores carry nootropics like choline and melatonin these days.

By: Eric

Eric — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:58:13 +0000

For the person who asked where to get the supplements discussed in the comments here, I found them on Amazon.

Nature’s Way Choline Bitartrate (500mg) 100 tabs
$9.26 + $0.00shipping

Galantamind (Galantamine), 90 Capsules
$44.95 + $5.95 shipping

If it is cheaper somewhere else, please post!

By: Richard D

Richard D — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:53:06 +0000

Richard B, I note you say ‘Friday evening’ and in your previous post you say ‘last night’. The most efficacious time for these supplements to be taken is in fact in the early morning, after four or five hours of sleep, basically combine with the WBTB technique. Personal recommendation:

1 no alcohol, caffeine or other stimulants on the night preceding the experiment.
2 Wake up early on the preceding morning so that you are tired at about ten or eleven
3 sleep for four to five hours, wake, take 500 mg Choline Bitartrate combined with 8mg Galantamine (GPC and Mucuna Pruriens may also be added, but not absolutely necessary)
4 stay up for 30-45 minutes, read about lucid dreaming, but not in very bright light
5 go back to bed, I personally find right side ten minutes, back five, left five, then settle on right side
6 just relax and observe arising imagery, the trick is to not take too much notice, just let things appear and disappear, it is important to lie still, quieten the inner voice and relax; soon either the imagery will solidify into a dream which you can enter or you will appear to leave your body and enter the facsimile environment of your bedroom. At this point I usually leave the apartment and a dream commences.

I firmly believe that you are entering a dream in both cases and that consciousness is not actually leaving the body, it is just a matter of the brain modelling your last known environment, the one you know you went to sleep in, in the second case. However, it really does ‘feel’ as if you are leaving your body, sitting up out of it, or rolling out, but what is in fact happening is a new association of the ‘I’ of self-consciousness with the ‘dream body’ self-image as opposed to the physical body self-image. I wish you a good adventure tomorrow!

By: Ryan Hurd

Ryan Hurd — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:51:09 +0000

great discussion guys. I have tried MC but noted no effects over the month of experimentation. thanks Richard D for sharing your additional experience — particularly about the importance of timing. oneironauts are really on the front lines of research here on the effect of these subbstances on consciousness.

@Catholic guilt: there is an effect that noted lucid dream researcher Fariba Bogzaran has told me about in which heavy intention can backfire if the intention becomes pressure — in other words, if we start blaming ourselves for not going lucid. So keep it playful and remember we’ll have another night to dream tomorrow.

By: Richard B

Richard B — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:38:31 +0000

Thanks for the advice, Richard D. The choline bitartrate arrived today, and I’m planning on taking it with the galantamine Friday evening.

By: Richard D

Richard D — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 00:27:00 +0000

Hi Richard B, thought I would add the ‘D’ here as there seem to be a lot of Richards!

I don’t think Galantamine works on its own, it is the combination with choline salts which is important, and GPC, note all of these will become ineffectual after one session, always wait ‘at least’ four days before you try again, or nutralise with piracetam, it is a fine nuro-chemical science, quantities, combinations and timing are very important.

By: Richard B

Richard B — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:58:37 +0000

I have to admit that I sometimes think there are real physiological differences between people who seem to lucid dream easily, and those who don’t. (Like me.) I took 8mg of galantamine last night, two days after the last try, and did not even have a dream that I remember. Zip. Nada. Just tired in the morning, and a mild lingering headache. The Choline Bitartrate I ordered should be arriving shortly and I’ll make another attempt, probably in a week. Actually I’ve got GPC coming also. If all that doesn’t make it I may try the REM Dreamer device. As a footnote I might add that I’m having an internal debate as to whether I am in a spiritual sense “grasping” at lucid dreaming, and hence it is not happening (sort of a Catholic guilt scenario) or if, as stated, my physiology is somehow out of whack for the endeavor.

By: Richard

Richard — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:58:03 +0000

Ps: MC is Mucuna Pruriens – natural source of L-Dopa, precursor to dopamine. I am looking forward to adding GPC to the mix – Glycerophosphocholine – as this has a later peak time to choline salts and will theoretically ‘kick-in’ when the others run out.I will also try piracetam to alleviate de-sensitization, and hopefully tiredness. This morning I took Galantamine, Choline and MP, result: entered into the dream state from waking, fully lucid – four hours of lucid dreaming! Every time I awoke I remained still and re-entered the lucid dreamscape, quite incredible, and with no suggestion to lucid dream, the experience seems to have been purely predicated on the ingestion of supplements.

By: Ryan Hurd

Ryan Hurd — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:29:02 +0000

nice! I have had good experiences as well with that pairing.

By: Richard

Richard — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:57:45 +0000

Lucid dreaming for may years, but recently turned to supplements. In a sentence, they worked every single time! 8mg Gal, 500 choline and MC, see Thomas Yuschack, Advanced Lucid dreaming. Only drawback? Tiredness the following day.